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Global Climate and Global Power


Jamais Cascio


Open The Future

December 05, 2008

I was pinged recently by the UK outfit Forum for the Future, a foresight team specializing in sustainable futures. They wanted to know what I thought would be the key issues the world would be confronting in 2030. “Climate” is the first thing that popped to mind, unsurprisingly, and we talked for a bit about what that might look like. (I also argued for molecular nanotechnology as a likely disruptive element to the world of 2030, and I’ll examine what that might mean down the road.)


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Posted by Brad Arnold  on  12/15  at  05:23 AM

"Few seem to realise that the present IPCC models predict almost unanimously that by 2040 the average summer in Europe will be as hot as the summer of 2003 when over 30,000 died from heat. By then we may cool ourselves with air conditioning and learn to live in a climate no worse than that of Baghdad now. But without extensive irrigation the plants will die and both farming and natural ecosystems will be replaced by scrub and desert. What will there be to eat? The same dire changes will affect the rest of the world and I can envisage Americans migrating into Canada and the Chinese into Siberia but there may be little food for any of them." --Dr James Lovelock's lecture to the Royal Society, 29 Oct. '07

"The alternative (to geoengineering) is the acceptance of a massive natural cull of humanity and a return to an Earth that freely regulates itself but in the hot state." --Dr James Lovelock, August 2008

What I see happening now is that poor countries are holding a global emission treaty hostage for climate mitigation payments from rich countries. What I see in the future is a disintegration of undeveloped country's governments, and the rise of authoritarian governments in developed countries. In the next few decades unirrigated crops will frequent fail and ocean food production will rapidly drop off. Only unforeseen technological developments will mitigate a massive cull of mankind following the slow breakdown of civilization. The genomic revolution maybe the solution, or it may bring about a more rapid depopulation as a super-virus pandemic is loosed on our globalized world.



Posted by ateologu  on  12/22  at  04:41 AM

"Few seem to realise that the present IPCC models predict almost unanimously that by 2040 the average summer in Europe will be as hot as the summer of 2003"

Ah, but OTOH more and more people are realising:
1. that there's a serious disconnect between what the actual scientific reports of the IPCC show or predict (try reading them sometime) and what the alarmist "summary for policymakers" (authored only by a handful) "predicts" (not to mention the horrible distortions added by the non-scientific press to said summary - it seems the Apocalypse always sells more newspapers)
2. that even the more conservative predictions of the _scientific_ reports of the IPCC are highly questionable (and indeed physicists everywhere are questioning them at every point).


"without extensive irrigation the plants will die"

Oh yeah, and let's obscure the fact that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to more plant growth in drier environments. Not a convenient fact when you're trying to scare the living daylights out of people, is it? After all, who wants the poor people in dry regions to get more food? Not the tax-hungry AGW apologists, that's for sure. So let's cut back on the main plant fertilizer - CO2 - and see what happens. Let's suck it all out of the air and kill our vegetation. That'll be one biochemistry lesson learned the hard way.


(BTW, are your predictions of political doom and gloom also the result of "computer models"? smile



Posted by Brad Arnold  on  12/24  at  03:11 AM

The IPCC's models have been proven conservative, not alarmist (particularly in terms of the rate of emissions). Furthermore, elevated CO2 levels may lead to faster plant growth, but that certainly doesn't make up for ocean acidification or high temperatures that stop photosynthesis.

By the way, your hostility to "computer models" is more because they contradict your "intuition" than because they have proven inaccurate. As far as your anti-tax attitude as it relates to cutting emissions, I agree that the severe carbon dieting advocated by the Greens is impractical and wasteful:

"Japan, like the European Union, hasn't let its failure so far to meet Kyoto emissions-reductions targets stop it from setting even more ambitious goals, like a 50% reduction in GHG emissions by 2050. But how to do that? If getting within shouting distance of Kyoto's targets could cost Japan $500 billion, how much would it cost to cut emissions twelve-fold more?" --Keith Johnson, WSJ, 19 March 2008

"By the year 2050, the Census Bureau projects that our population will be around 420 million. This means per capita emissions will have to fall to about 2.5 tons in order to meet the goal of 80% reduction. It is likely that U.S. per capita emissions were never that low : even back in colonial days when the only fuel we burned was wood. " --"The Real Cost of Tackling Climate Change," WSJ

"I know of no realistic person who thinks carbon dioxide emissions are going to do anything but grow. Most European countries are not meeting their emissions goals, and of the ones that have, it's because their economies are collapsing. In the United States, this notion that we're going to reduce our emissions by 80 percent is pure fantasy." --Pete Geddes, Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment, 2 April 2008

But there is a cheap and easy way to immediately cool the Earth (if it becomes necessary): just put a little sun dimming aerosol into the upper atmosphere.

By the way, you should study what happened in Europe during the record heatwave of 2003. Too bad you probably won't be alive in 2040 to see Dr Lovelock proven correct, and your anti-science intuitions proven wrong (although this isn't a "convenient fact" when you are trying to scare the living daylights out of people over higher taxes).



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