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I am You, and You are Me…. Maybe


Edward Miller
Edward Miller
EmbraceUnity

Posted: Jan 28, 2010

Pretty early on in my philosophical journey I decided that I was a pantheist, of the naturalist sort. Pantheism is all about the one-ness and unity of everything… and I do mean everything.

Considering this mindset, it should be no wonder why I recently came to the conclusion that we might all be manifestations of a single consciousness.  I was recently alerted that the philosopher Daniel Kolak wrote a book on this very concept called I Am You. This idea may not sound intuitive to most people, especially the rugged individualists of the West, but it is arguably just as valid as our usual working assumption that we are all separate entities.

Consciousness is sort of like a black hole, and we really have no idea what it is. Some speculate that black holes are really worm holes connecting two different points, and perhaps even other universes. If that is the case, we have no way of knowing that with our current evidence. However, let us assume we somehow found out that they were wormholes. We still wouldn’t know if they were all connecting to the same place or different places, since we cannot travel inside.

That is a good analogy, in my opinion, to this argument. By positing the I Am You argument, I am not necessarily saying this is True, but that it is equally valid (or equally invalid) as the hypothesis that there are separate consciousnesses, since we cannot penetrate the minds of others.

imageConsidering the impenetrability of other minds, for all I know, everyone could be a p-zombie.  Likewise, considering our necessity to rely on sensory information to gain any knowledge about the physical world, it is possible that the universe is just a figment of my imagination.  I can’t say precisely how unlikely these possibilities are. Yet, I intuit that it is quite unlikely considering the apparent difficulty and irrationality in simulating an entire universe in fine detail simply for the purpose of tricking me. Thus, in all likelihood other beings exist and are indeed conscious, but whether they all share one consciousness or separate consciousnesses is equally unknowable.

So in my crude estimation under conditions of uncertainty, there is a 49.9 percent chance that I am You, a 49.9 percent chance that we are separate, and a fraction of a percent chance that the entire universe is fake or some other ludicrous thing.

I think the simulation argument has to sit on top of my percentage estimations. Nick Bostrom estimated a 20 percent chance we are in a vast computer simulation. If this is a simulation, there is still approximately a 50/50 chance that each simulated person has the same low-level pattern of consciousness.

Doug Hofstadter’s argument that we are all strange loops is a potential candidate for that low-level pattern which we all share. Recursion is a pretty simple concept. I could see the recursive pattern manifesting itself with varying degrees of intensity or even in crazy ways or non-human ways… but that recursivity is still there. If recursion creates this thing (consciousness) that is greater than the sum of its parts, it seems silly to claim that the consciousness exists only at a particular location in space. Since we can hardly even place a locality on it, why must we assume everyone’s consciousness is different?

Physics is strange with quantum particles being able to influence each other from across the universe through a process called Quantum Entanglement. Furthermore all matter exerts a gravitational pull on all other matter no matter far away it is. Why must we assume that this very mysterious thing, consciousness, must have a precise location in space? Quantum mechanics seems to indicate that what we think we know about space and time is not really accurate. Considering this, I can easily imagine us all being intimately connected, just as the stars, qubits, and all the matter are connected.

Here is a thought experiment. If the universe/multiverse is infinite and there is another organization of atoms somewhere out in the universe that is in the exact same organization as the atoms in your brain, then unless you reject the possibility of continuous consciousness, your consciousness could exist simultaneously in multiple places without being aware of one another… just as they could in the I Am You hypothesis.

Kolak gives another example that came up in a discussion with Derek Parfit. There are “split-brain” people who have a malfunctioning corpus callosum and thus have two streams of consciousness that are unaware of each other. Are they really two separate people if all that separates their awareness of one another is a malfunctioning corpus callosum? Perhaps all of us are in a similar predicament and we are all really the same person, we just don’t know it.

I had previously speculated that forming some sort of global brain would be the ultimate expression of the will to Embrace Unity, but if we are indeed all a single consciousness, then we are already a global brain, we just don’t know it. How then could we go about repairing our collective corpus callosum? I think the Unity of Consciousness argument has a beautiful aesthetic quality to it, and could have positive implications for bridging the egoist-utilitarian divide. If I Am You, then even the most selfish person would logically have to become a utilitarian.

It’s conceptual beauty doesn’t make it true, clearly. But, at minimum, it casts some light on the unfounded nature of even our most basic assumptions by which we operate. Be it Time, Space, Free Will, Identity, we really haven’t a clue. To hedge your bets… be more compassionate.


Edward Miller, a former intern of the IEET, is the Chief Information Officer of the Network for Open Scientific Innovation. He is a passionate advocate of Open Source development models. His blog, EmbraceUnity, deals with democracy, humanism, and sustainable development.
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Have your read Amit Goswami? He agrees with you and proves it from a physicist's view on reality. Enjoyed your post.



the conclusion of this talk on Mirror Neurons is relevant here...

http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civilization.html



@ EdwardExcellent!

"I am You, and You are Me. Maybe". ??

Or as Advaita, (pure non-dualism) puts it "Tat Tvam Asi", ("That" thou art : notice the wisdom of the use of the word "That" to describe Brahman or "Ultimate reality", that which is beyond all descriptions or comparisons, (language and semantics). This posits, (like Buddhism), that rather than "relative realities" perceived by apparently separated consciousness, (separated only in ignorance "Avidya" of the fact that we don't know : yet?) there exists only pure consciousness : the kernel agent and arbiter for creation of energies, matter and forms. Buddhism posits the mind as a collective not consciousness : yet there may be little or even no difference here : perhaps it is pantheistic metaphysical laws or intelligence? Again we may need to redefine the terms and understandings we use for the word consciousness?

Hence the most important question really is "who am i?" This is the key to the answers of mind and consciousness itself, (and also the key to the human condition and evolution/transhumanism along the way).

Are matter and forms real? Is the Universe real?

If you don't like the notion of pure "Idealism", then Sankhya, (also atheistic/Hinduism) is regarded as perhaps "the" most ancient philosophy and understanding of "dualism" guiding towards the emergence of both Buddhism and Advaita which proposes that Matter, ("Prakriti") is both real and eternal, yet remains in equilibrium and inert until the agent "Purusha" (souls) interacts to create forms. The description of souls, (Purusha), may be transposed as meaning consciousness here, as the analogy of souls disturbs some folks. Could these also be the origins of the ideas of Plato driving his philosophy of ideas, forms and matter? (via the Atlantians : "Timaeus").

Note these are ancient philosophies, (not religions!), proposed to explain creation itself and the transformation of energies and matter into forms, and attempts to explain the perceptions and relative realities that we experience.

Does a collective "consciousness wave" exist throughout the cosmos as the ultimate prime mover, or even maybe as one of many strange "meta" ("Beyond") physical properties and cosmological phenomena that can transform energies into matter and back into energies, (dark energies/dark matter)? Is this consciousness wave separated from matter, (dualism), yet interacts to create forms? Well your guess is as good as mine, yet it is very worthwhile investigating.

My present position is the preference to accept that consciousness may be the prime mover that underlies the material universe and that which connects us all ultimately. For example, consider the below OSI styled layered model

Highest..

1. Self-realisation/Ego
2. sub-consciousness/volitions
3. Mind/memory
4. Subjective consciousness/outward perception (derivative)
5. Pure collective consciousness phenomena

Lowest/kernel..

Ps. Martine has also mentioned Daniel Kolak's book. I have not read this but will check it out, (although I understand it has a hefty price tag).

"Know thyself and thou shalt know all the mysteries of the gods and of the universe"



I was searching info about the Kolak's book, and I found your post. I am italian and have read just the Google book's preview of "I am You", but I too had the same idea some 4 years ago... maybe the idea is "on the air" and ready to be accepted worldwide! I hope because it will help to improve the condition of our diseased world...

I prepared some pages in my web site and recently I have made them translated in english by a professional translator at

http://www.iacopovettori.it/laterzaipotesi/eng/Default.aspx

In the main page there's a link to a PDF file to print the site content as a little book of 35 pages. Recently I add a new page with "Open consideration" where is possible to send comment, where I copied some posts I have sent at The Brights Forum on Science & Philosophy

http://www.the-brights.net/forums/forum/index.php?showforum=95

I warmly invite you and everyone interested to read these pages to evaluate the quality of the arguments that I propose. From what I can understand by the preview pages of Kolak's book, I followed a different path to reach the same conclusions.



It's quite beautiful how this realization seems to slowly seep through Western societies, and how we are learning from a scientific point of view what in the end can only be intuited from an inner awareness.

Waking up to the realization that you are not who you always thought you were is quite an experience. Because you see that you are relieved of actively reinforcing this self, and you don't have to try to control things anymore but just surrender to what happens. Life becomes a game and it all doesn't matter anymore. It is when you suddenly see your self as a seer, seeing yourself. And that this seer and the seen are one, no matter what you are seeing. As Eckhart Tolle says, it's consciousness becoming conscious of itself. Pure presence remains, and this is separate from an intellectual understanding of it. It can happen when you continuously ask yourself "What is my next thought going to be?". You can see then that you are the seer of your own mind, not the thinker thinking the thoughts. It is nice to understand it from a physicalist point of view, but in the end any model will draw you away from the experience itself. The universe exists only as part of your consciousness, when one chooses to model it. And a model can not be experienced. What remains in pure being is that we just become part of the universe, flow along with "it", and creatively help "it" evolve. Not necessarily seeing any distinctions any longer - but still using them as a tool when practical.



@Ralph: I try to keep seriously the hypotesis that we are all different expression of the same "I". So I better consider each life as a work, not a game. You have the opportunity to do a lot of important things just because you're well fed, you can use a computer connected to Internet, and you have enough money and enough free time to do something more than just your job. In this world, this is a privilege, so do not take the life so easy: try to make your part to give a better life also for all the less lucky people, because they are all "you" as well. However, this point of view allows me to avoid desperation or eccessive competiteness if something goes wrong. After all, I have the right to taste also my moments of relax and pleasure... but out there remains the world with all its problems, so when I am rested enough, I keep on with all my activities, trying to make a better world for everybody... because I know that everyone else is always another "me".



You might enjoy reading something from a "life coach"
named Robert Sheinfeld. He writes and teaches something
he calls The Busting Loose Process, whereby one can
feel more and more the Truth that we are each starring in our own
movie production.

Check this out:

www.phase2players.com


Not for everyone but it's pretty fun stuff.
I've heard mostly all of this from
Avatar Meher Baba - also not for everyone
but even more fun!

Thanks for the article.

Peace



Thank you for this very useful information.



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