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Choosing Between Possible Lives


Russell Blackford
Russell Blackford
Metamagician and the Hellfire Club

Posted: Apr 9, 2009

What trade-offs would we make between the quality and quantity of our lives? IEET Fellow Russell Blackford is hoping for some illumination in the way we think about these trade-offs, and how those intuitions will shape public support for age-retarding therapies and the Longevity Dividend they could create.

Person W lives for 50 years and is almost blissfully happy. He or she has an average happiness of 9/10 across their entire life.

Person X lives for 80 years. For the first 50 years, he or she has an average happiness of 9/10. Then they live for another 30 years at an average of 8.5/10 (not so close to bliss, but still very happy). Thus, person X gets everything person W gets and more ... but is less happy on average over their total life.

Person Y lives for 35 years at 8.4/10 (yay, that’s very happy!) and then 50 years at 9/10.

Person Z lives for 85 86 years. He or she has 50 randomly-distributed years at 9/10 level happiness. They also have 36 randomly-distributed years of 8.4 happiness.

All right, got it? Whose life would you prefer to have? W? X? Y? Z? It is by no means obvious to me that the best life to choose is that of person W, even though this person’s life is the one of greatest average happiness across an entire lifetime. Indeed, it seems obvious to me that it’s better to be person X, but maybe you’ll all disagree with me. But what about person Y, and if you like that, why not person Z? And of course, we could come up with a more systematic set of comparisons if we were being scientific.

Are these even the relevant comparisons we should be making? Is it relevant to your choice if I tell you that one of the above lives (but still with the average figures I’ve provided) includes times of horrible pain or mental suffering? If it’s relevant, what effect does it have on your choice?


New scenario:

Person X lives for 75 years. Overall, she is very happy through that time. Let’s express this by saying that she has an average happiness level of 8 (out of a blissfully-perfect possible 10) for those 75 years.

Person Y, thanks to advanced technology, lives for 150 years. For the first 75 years, she is just as happy as Person X: i.e., she enjoys a very good average happiness level of 8 out of 10 for those 75 years. In the second 75 years, her happiness drops off for various reasons (e.g. the technology keeps her relatively youthful, but it is not perfect so she gets more illnesses than she did during the first 75 years). Nonetheless, things continue to go pretty well for her, and she experiences a not-bad average happiness level of 7 out of 10 for the second half of her long life.

If I could offer you Person X’s life or Person Y’s life, which would you take? Person Y gets everything that Person X gets and more, but on average (i.e. averaged over their respective entire whole lives) Person X is happier. Which do you want?

 


Russell Blackford Ph.D. is a fellow of the IEET, an attorney, science fiction author and critic, philosopher, and public intellectual. Dr. Blackford serves as editor-in-chief of the IEET's Journal of Evolution and Technology. He lives in Newcastle, Australia, where he is a Conjoint Lecturer in the School of Humanities and Social Science at the University of Newcastle.
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As Aubrey might point out, those last 75 for person Y are a guess and thus the range might vary from 5/10 to 9/10 depending upon factors that will only be knowable if you are still alive. It's like a marriage "for better or worse". Those who think they can't risk the for worse part can simply choose not to participate. As well those who choose not to participate should not have standing to interfere with the access issue for those who do choose the risk of participation..

That was the issue with stem cell technology, those who wanted no part of it also insisted that no one else should have access either.

The term is "dog in the manger".



In reality, it's all guess work. But I'm interested in exploring my own intuitions and those of other people about what we would assess as a better life to have. I can just rely on my own intuitions, of course, but maybe they're eccentric. After all, I'm a transhumanist of sorts, or at least some kind of fellow traveller. I'm going to be interested to see what people who comment on my blog - and are not necessarily transhumanists or anything of the kind - have to say, although it looks like the discussion over there may have run out of steam for now.



The numbers assigned to quality of life are part of the term QALY.
When a single public payor medicare provider decides how to set up the rationing its the translation of numbers to a dollars per year of hypothetical perfect health that is done. This decides exactly how entire populations will be treated. If Health policy analysts assign a low number to the amount of change X a high number to the number of people treated to achieve a case of full health that procedure/drug/therapy will not be funded or available aside from personal procurement through medical tourism. So if like Lucke's Australian study only 50 % of the population really want life extension that negative outcome speculation may well tell policy makers that it is too risky for their risk averse public profile to have anything to do with life extension. When Oprah Winfrey on the other hand has 2 programs on extreme life extension and super-centenarian hot spots it creates an immense wave of thought leadership to positively view life extension as a viable mass market goal.



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