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Survival Beyond the Flesh


Russell Blackford
Russell Blackford
Metamagician and the Hellfire Club

Posted: Sep 10, 2010

I’ll be speaking at the Singularity Summit AU this Sunday afternoon, on the topic “Survival Beyond the Flesh” - which relates to the prospect of “uploading” rather than to anything of a more otherworldly or spiritual kind.

I’m rather sceptical about uploading - though I can’t rule it out totally, no matter how advanced our technology becomes. I spent yesterday working out what I could say meaningfully in a quite short slot, given that I’d devote at least three lectures to such a topic if teaching it from scratch as part of a philosophy course on issues such as mind and personal identity. I think I managed to work out something useful in the end. This is a sufficiently slippery topic that I’ll be relying quite heavily on the shortish paper that I ended up writing. Hopefully I can end up making it interesting.

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The big issue, it seems to me, is why I would want to upload myself. Presumably it’s to live longer and to gain certain advantages such as being able to think more quickly and powerfully. But that means I must be confident that I can look forward to enjoying those advantages. It’s no use if the advantages will simply be enjoyed by a being somewhat like me.

Thus, issues about personal identity, survival, and so on are inescapable, even if our conceptions of these things are hopelessly vague. There do seem to be situations where a psychological duplicate of me could be made and it would be pretty clear that I would not enjoy whatever experiences it has, so it’s not as if there’s no risk of things turning out like that. But what criteria do we use and where do we draw the line?

I don’t have clear and convincing answers to these questions, and I don’t believe anyone else has either - Derek Parfit’s answers are fairly clear but I don’t find them all that convincing. Still, I might at least be able to offer my audience some tools for thinking about it.


Russell Blackford Ph.D. is a fellow of the IEET, an attorney, science fiction author and critic, philosopher, and public intellectual. Dr. Blackford serves as editor-in-chief of the IEET's Journal of Evolution and Technology. He lives in Newcastle, Australia, where he is a Conjoint Lecturer in the School of Humanities and Social Science at the University of Newcastle.
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I agree with everything you just argued, indeed, I've attempted to make the same arguments repeatedly. I feel it's tragic that transhumanism and singularity studies has become so strongly fixated on destructive brain uploading that all other visions are effectively crushed out of existence. =(

The underlying issue seems to be "do you believe in pattern identity theory?". If you answer yes, you get to be a transhumanist. If you answer no, then you are immediately branded a reactionary luddite who deserves to be suriptitiously uploaded into a simulation of your life as it is so that most of your physical mass can be converted into computronium. I have met people who actually advocate exactly that. =(



Here's the short answer:

Typical scenario: A scanner/disassembler machine cuts up your brain into little bits, recovering data on the interconnection of neurons, synaptic strengths, and so on. A huge data file.

Next step: The data file is used to program a supercomputer to run a simulation of your brain. Ergo, you wake up, now free of the mortal body.

Okay, so what if the data file is used to program a second computer? Do you wake up again?

What if one copy is given a billion bucks and can do whatever it wants while the other is subjected to hideous tortures? Let's say you know this is going to happen. Do you bet on which one you'll be?

I mean, come on, this is obvious nonsense.

If your brain is cut up into little bits, you are dead.

If nanobots stealthily replace your neurons one at a time, you are dead. You might not know it, but neither do the other dead people.

Unless you animate these scenarios with voodoo-transferred souls, they do not constitute a way to escape the Reaper and transcend to superhuman existence. They would be, for us, just another route to nonexistence.

For further discussion, see http://futurisms.thenewatlantis.com/2010/06/why-transhumanism-wont-work.html



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